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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 10:22:41 GMT
You forgot to include the other part of your position - - and allow in an unlimited number of third world asylum seekersSurely you meant this response to be directed at Zany's position - ie to pave over the greenbelt to the provide housing?
No matter how many empty properties there are, it is always going to be a simple matter to import enough third world asylum seekers to fill them |
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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 10:50:13 GMT
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 11:00:12 GMT
I am sure in the economist I read something about mini nuclear reactors being feasible if not a reality. I would replace standing charge with an increase in unit rate. Less regressive and allows those with less money to affect their bills by reducing consumption Mini nuclear reactors are feasible but still expensive. Agree with you on the standing charge. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 11:10:38 GMT
Dabbling with tax on the poor and giving them subsidies is not the way to reduce the divide. We have to create more jobs by changing the taxation system from one that penalises meaningful job creation to one that rewards it. That's good Steve, but it wont stop the number of available jobs ever decreasing because. 1, Every more able and sophisticated BRIC countries. 2, Automation. 3 Longevity We need to re-address the wealth gap. The 50 richest families in this country now hold the same amount as the combined wealth of 35 million other uk citizens. Everyone has the right to get rich but.. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 11:30:47 GMT
You forgot to include the other part of your position - - and allow in an unlimited number of third world asylum seekers
The data shows that more than one million properties across England in 2022 were unoccupied (4.01 per cent of all dwellings), an increase of nearly 60,000 homes since 2018.
There are currently more than one million people on council housing waiting lists and 104,000 households living in temporary accommodation. Even bringing just 10% of these empty homes back into use could help to find permanent homes for these households in temporary accommodation.
This seeming anomaly of empty houses when there is an increasing demand for housing has been voiced for years. What are the reasons that are stopping government and relevant organisations addressing this...?
I would love to find some real data on this, had a look this morning and its hard to find true data. Long term empty is listed as more than 6 months, but probate can take up to a year at the moment plus the number of elderly people who leave empty homes while they try out their care homes. Then I can't find what qualifies as a residence, I use Air BnB a lot and virtually none are an actual home, but even that is tricky for this (below) falls in the category of "Entire home" on Air BnB It has a single room and is in someone's back garden. There are very many like this.  |
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 12:07:01 GMT
Dabbling with tax on the poor and giving them subsidies is not the way to reduce the divide. We have to create more jobs by changing the taxation system from one that penalises meaningful job creation to one that rewards it. That's good Steve, but it wont stop the number of available jobs ever decreasing because. 1, Every more able and sophisticated BRIC countries. 2, Automation. 3 Longevity We need to re-address the wealth gap. The 50 richest families in this country now hold the same amount as the combined wealth of 35 million other uk citizens. Everyone has the right to get rich but.. Yes wealth inequality is a real issue in the UK that many seem to ignore at best looking at income inequality instead. All those challenges to fuller employment you mention are very real but only because we tax firms more if they employ more people and allow the cheapest labour countries easy access to our markets. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 12:41:42 GMT
That's good Steve, but it wont stop the number of available jobs ever decreasing because. 1, Every more able and sophisticated BRIC countries. 2, Automation. 3 Longevity We need to re-address the wealth gap. The 50 richest families in this country now hold the same amount as the combined wealth of 35 million other uk citizens. Everyone has the right to get rich but.. Yes wealth inequality is a real issue in the UK that many seem to ignore at best looking at income inequality instead. All those challenges to fuller employment you mention are very real but only because we tax firms more if they employ more people and allow the cheapest labour countries easy access to our markets. Pretty much the same page on this one Steve |
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 13:04:11 GMT
One of the things that appalled me was realising if a firm makes people redundant it gets a tax break for doing so
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 13:18:29 GMT
One of the things that appalled me was realising if a firm makes people redundant it gets a tax break for doing so Not familiar with that Steve, can you elaborate? |
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 13:54:06 GMT
One of the things that appalled me was realising if a firm makes people redundant it gets a tax break for doing so Not familiar with that Steve, can you elaborate? If you make staff redundant you have to pay them redundancy payments which comes off the bottom line so means less or even zero corporation tax paid and if it makes it a loss the firm can even bank that loss to use against future taxable profits. A far better scheme would be to allow companies to show their accrued redundancy liability against their taxable profits. That way taking on and more importantly retaining employees would get the tax credit with no tax break if they were later made redundant. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 14:14:23 GMT
Not familiar with that Steve, can you elaborate? If you make staff redundant you have to pay them redundancy payments which comes off the bottom line so means less or even zero corporation tax paid and if it makes it a loss the firm can even bank that loss to use against future taxable profits. A far better scheme would be to allow companies to show their accrued redundancy liability against their taxable profits. That way taking on and more importantly retaining employees would get the tax credit with no tax break if they were later made redundant. Ah one of those, if you lose money you don't pay tax advantages I'm so often told of when saying my company lost £1.4m during Covid. Plus statutory redundancy money is incredibly small 1 weeks money for each year worked |
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 15:20:14 GMT
If you make staff redundant you have to pay them redundancy payments which comes off the bottom line so means less or even zero corporation tax paid and if it makes it a loss the firm can even bank that loss to use against future taxable profits. A far better scheme would be to allow companies to show their accrued redundancy liability against their taxable profits. That way taking on and more importantly retaining employees would get the tax credit with no tax break if they were later made redundant. Ah one of those, if you lose money you don't pay tax advantages I'm so often told of when saying my company lost £1.4m during Covid. Plus statutory redundancy money is incredibly small 1 weeks money for each year worked Not only that it's capped at 20 years of service and £21k but to be fair many firms don't enforce the caps or require notice period to be paid. |
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