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Post by montegriffo on May 24, 2024 11:59:26 GMT
Other than competition shooting I see no reason for anyone in this country to have a hand gun (apart from a tiny number of close protection body guards).
I don't see the need for semi-automatics either. Bolt action or even single fire rifles should be good enough for a competent hunter. Rule one of hunting is if you can't guarantee a one shot kill you don't take the shot.
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Post by totheleft on May 24, 2024 17:00:33 GMT
I don't know anyone with convictions for violence who have a licence. And given the low number of murders with guns in our country, the system is not bad, but there is room for improvement. It's other weapons like knives, and to an extent crossbows which are a significant problem. And despite Dunblane, it was the Police who cocked up, not the rule book, which allowed Thomas Hamilton to have his pistols. He was NOT a member of a gun club. He had no reason to have those pistols. His argument for having revolvers, was in case a semi automatic jammed. If a semi automatic pistol jams, you strip it and clean it and if something is broken, you change a spring. The only situation in civilian life, which a semi automatic jamming becomes a problem for the person holding it, is if that person is actively engaged in mass murder. Thomas Hamilton planned the massacre a long time before he did it. Shotgun certificates do now include a medical assessment due to the Southampton gunman, who was reissued his firearms certificate for a pump action shotgun, by a Police cock up. Maybe a body specific to firearms licence applications might do a better job. There more people murdered by guns then cars or drugs in this country. |
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Post by totheleft on May 24, 2024 17:20:29 GMT
Another suspected murder by a legal gun owner,
Man, 75, arrested in connection with death of Perthshire dog walker, 65
Postmortem carried out six days after death of Brian Low in February indicated cause of death as shooting
Kevin Rawlinson
Fri 24 May 2024 06.59 EDT
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Police have arrested a 75-year-old man in connection with the death of a 65-year-old dog walker who was shot dead on a countryside track.
The body of Brian Low was discovered in Pitilie, near Aberfeldy in Perthshire, at about 8.30am on 17 February. A postmortem examination carried out six days later established the cause of death as a shooting.
During a long-running investigation, known as Operation Newlane, Police Scotland have interviewed more than 800 people. Their inquiries have led them to hundreds of properties in the area and more than 2,000 hours of CCTV footage from dozens of cameras have been viewed.
On Friday morning, officers said the 75-year-old man had been arrested and was being questioned by detectives from the major investigation team.
Low, who retired from his job as a groundsman at the Edradynate estate in Perthshire last year, had been out walking his black labrador.
Police Scotland initially believed his death was “non-suspicious and medical-related”, but a medical examination held six days after his body was found “established he had injuries consistent with being fatally shot”. BBC News has reported that his death certificate confirmed he died of a shotgun wound to the neck and chest.
The broadcaster said Low had worked at the nearby Edradynate estate for more than 20 years until his retirement in February last year. It said he lived in Aberfeldy with his partner and died three days before his 66th birthday.
Speaking in late February, Ch Insp Greg Burns, the local area commander, said: “I understand this is an extremely concerning incident for a small, rural community.”
Shortly after the murder investigation was launched, DCI Martin Macdougall, of the major investigation team, said: “Our thoughts are with Brian’s family at this very difficult time and we are doing all we can to get them answers. We have been carrying out extensive inquiries since Brian’s death and detectives are working alongside uniformed officers to establish the full circumstances.”
Scotland’s police watchdog, the Police Investigation and Review Commissioner, has confirmed an investigation is under way after criticism of the way the scene was handled after the discovery of a body.
A spokesperson has previously said the watchdog was directed by the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. The force said it was unable to provide any further comment while the investigation continued.
Seeing the Suspect is 75yr old it's very much doubtful he was a gangster.
My betting he's a farmer with a legal shot gun licence.
Time to tighten or even ban guns in this country
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Post by vinny on May 24, 2024 17:50:34 GMT
Another suspected murder by a legal gun owner, Man, 75, arrested in connection with death of Perthshire dog walker, 65 Postmortem carried out six days after death of Brian Low in February indicated cause of death as shooting Kevin Rawlinson Fri 24 May 2024 06.59 EDT Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email Police have arrested a 75-year-old man in connection with the death of a 65-year-old dog walker who was shot dead on a countryside track. The body of Brian Low was discovered in Pitilie, near Aberfeldy in Perthshire, at about 8.30am on 17 February. A postmortem examination carried out six days later established the cause of death as a shooting. During a long-running investigation, known as Operation Newlane, Police Scotland have interviewed more than 800 people. Their inquiries have led them to hundreds of properties in the area and more than 2,000 hours of CCTV footage from dozens of cameras have been viewed. On Friday morning, officers said the 75-year-old man had been arrested and was being questioned by detectives from the major investigation team. Low, who retired from his job as a groundsman at the Edradynate estate in Perthshire last year, had been out walking his black labrador. Police Scotland initially believed his death was “non-suspicious and medical-related”, but a medical examination held six days after his body was found “established he had injuries consistent with being fatally shot”. BBC News has reported that his death certificate confirmed he died of a shotgun wound to the neck and chest. The broadcaster said Low had worked at the nearby Edradynate estate for more than 20 years until his retirement in February last year. It said he lived in Aberfeldy with his partner and died three days before his 66th birthday. Speaking in late February, Ch Insp Greg Burns, the local area commander, said: “I understand this is an extremely concerning incident for a small, rural community.” Shortly after the murder investigation was launched, DCI Martin Macdougall, of the major investigation team, said: “Our thoughts are with Brian’s family at this very difficult time and we are doing all we can to get them answers. We have been carrying out extensive inquiries since Brian’s death and detectives are working alongside uniformed officers to establish the full circumstances.” Scotland’s police watchdog, the Police Investigation and Review Commissioner, has confirmed an investigation is under way after criticism of the way the scene was handled after the discovery of a body. A spokesperson has previously said the watchdog was directed by the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. The force said it was unable to provide any further comment while the investigation continued. Seeing the Suspect is 75yr old it's very much doubtful he was a gangster. My betting he's a farmer with a legal shot gun licence. Time to tighten or even ban guns in this country Most gun murders in the UK are with illegal firearms, like the converted blank firing VZ Skorpion used to murder Ashley Dale and none of your ideas would have stopped the murder. Besides anyone with a lathe who knows what they're doing could knock up a fully working sub machine gun in an afternoon. It's precisely this sort of idiocy which resulted in thousands of legal handgun owners being punished for the cock ups of the Police, without compensation whilst gangland gun murders continued and the causes were ignored. |
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Post by vinny on May 24, 2024 17:52:28 GMT
Other than competition shooting I see no reason for anyone in this country to have a hand gun (apart from a tiny number of close protection body guards). I don't see the need for semi-automatics either. Bolt action or even single fire rifles should be good enough for a competent hunter. Rule one of hunting is if you can't guarantee a one shot kill you don't take the shot. Competition shooting is exactly why decent licence holding people should be able to have a hand gun, if they want to, especially one of these:  Pardini .22lr match pistol. Phenomenally accurate single handed target pistol. And Thomas Hamilton's crimes resulted in those being unavailable for thousands of law abiding people. |
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Post by totheleft on May 25, 2024 3:36:45 GMT
Another suspected murder by a legal gun owner, Man, 75, arrested in connection with death of Perthshire dog walker, 65 Postmortem carried out six days after death of Brian Low in February indicated cause of death as shooting Kevin Rawlinson Fri 24 May 2024 06.59 EDT Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email Police have arrested a 75-year-old man in connection with the death of a 65-year-old dog walker who was shot dead on a countryside track. The body of Brian Low was discovered in Pitilie, near Aberfeldy in Perthshire, at about 8.30am on 17 February. A postmortem examination carried out six days later established the cause of death as a shooting. During a long-running investigation, known as Operation Newlane, Police Scotland have interviewed more than 800 people. Their inquiries have led them to hundreds of properties in the area and more than 2,000 hours of CCTV footage from dozens of cameras have been viewed. On Friday morning, officers said the 75-year-old man had been arrested and was being questioned by detectives from the major investigation team. Low, who retired from his job as a groundsman at the Edradynate estate in Perthshire last year, had been out walking his black labrador. Police Scotland initially believed his death was “non-suspicious and medical-related”, but a medical examination held six days after his body was found “established he had injuries consistent with being fatally shot”. BBC News has reported that his death certificate confirmed he died of a shotgun wound to the neck and chest. The broadcaster said Low had worked at the nearby Edradynate estate for more than 20 years until his retirement in February last year. It said he lived in Aberfeldy with his partner and died three days before his 66th birthday. Speaking in late February, Ch Insp Greg Burns, the local area commander, said: “I understand this is an extremely concerning incident for a small, rural community.” Shortly after the murder investigation was launched, DCI Martin Macdougall, of the major investigation team, said: “Our thoughts are with Brian’s family at this very difficult time and we are doing all we can to get them answers. We have been carrying out extensive inquiries since Brian’s death and detectives are working alongside uniformed officers to establish the full circumstances.” Scotland’s police watchdog, the Police Investigation and Review Commissioner, has confirmed an investigation is under way after criticism of the way the scene was handled after the discovery of a body. A spokesperson has previously said the watchdog was directed by the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. The force said it was unable to provide any further comment while the investigation continued. Seeing the Suspect is 75yr old it's very much doubtful he was a gangster. My betting he's a farmer with a legal shot gun licence. Time to tighten or even ban guns in this country Most gun murders in the UK are with illegal firearms, like the converted blank firing VZ Skorpion used to murder Ashley Dale and none of your ideas would have stopped the murder. Besides anyone with a lathe who knows what they're doing could knock up a fully working sub machine gun in an afternoon. It's precisely this sort of idiocy which resulted in thousands of legal handgun owners being punished for the cock ups of the Police, without compensation whilst gangland gun murders continued and the causes were ignored. So a 75yr old had a illegal weapon . With this one the one Steve posted and the farmer killing the suspected burglars That's 3 in a month how many gangland killing has there been in that period of time ? Time to tighten or ban guns |
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Post by montegriffo on May 25, 2024 7:02:37 GMT
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Post by Steve on May 25, 2024 7:13:44 GMT
from the duplicate threadThe House of Commons Library commonslibrary.parliament.uk Firearm Crime Statistics: England & Wales - House of Commons Library 4 Aug 2022 — Homicide. The most recent data suggests that there were 35 homicides committed by shooting in the year ending 31 March 2021 – 6% of all homicides. With the homicide rate and the suicide rate we will be pushing nearly 10%of deaths per Annum in this country With Well it's 35 too many but I have to say I thought it was more
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Post by equivocal on May 25, 2024 7:46:25 GMT
More Yank propoganda!
The Chinese people kindly allow us to have some of their deer, deer that are clearly more advanced technologically than our own backward deer. Do we let our deer learn from the Chinese? No, we shoot them.
No wonder President Xi (PBUH) thinks Britain is going down the tubes.
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Post by montegriffo on May 25, 2024 7:55:51 GMT
More Yank propoganda!
The Chinese people kindly allow us to have some of their deer, deer that are clearly more advanced technologically than our own backward deer. Do we let our deer learn from the Chinese? No, we shoot them.
No wonder President Xi (PBUH) thinks Britain is going down the tubes.
The Chinese deer are sneaky. Refusing to grow above the height of our long grass it makes them almost impossible to see apart from in March and April. Same with the muntjac (also Asian immigrants). Bloody short arsed Asian immigrants coming over here and taking our crops, killing our trees and raping our wildlife. They need to go back to where they came from. |
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Post by equivocal on May 25, 2024 8:06:49 GMT
More Yank propoganda!
The Chinese people kindly allow us to have some of their deer, deer that are clearly more advanced technologically than our own backward deer. Do we let our deer learn from the Chinese? No, we shoot them.
No wonder President Xi (PBUH) thinks Britain is going down the tubes.
The Chinese deer are sneaky. Refusing to grow above the height of our long grass it makes them almost impossible to see apart from in March and April. Same with the muntjac (also Asian immigrants). Bloody short arsed Asian immigrants coming over here and taking our crops, killing our trees and raping our wildlife. They need to go back to where they came from.
EDIT - I blame the French
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Post by montegriffo on May 25, 2024 8:19:47 GMT
The Chinese deer are sneaky. Refusing to grow above the height of our long grass it makes them almost impossible to see apart from in March and April. Same with the muntjac (also Asian immigrants). Bloody short arsed Asian immigrants coming over here and taking our crops, killing our trees and raping our wildlife. They need to go back to where they came from.
EDIT - I blame the French
No, it was our own toffs that introduced the invasive species into the country. There are an estimated 1.5 million muntjac in England and Wales and they all came from about two dozen deer brought to Woburn Park, Beds in the early 20th century. |
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Post by equivocal on May 25, 2024 8:22:13 GMT
EDIT - I blame the French
No, it was our own toffs that introduced the invasive species into the country. There are an estimated 1.5 million muntjac in England and Wales and they all came from about two dozen deer brought to Woburn Park, Beds in the early 20th century. French/Normans - same difference! |
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Post by montegriffo on May 25, 2024 8:24:25 GMT
No, it was our own toffs that introduced the invasive species into the country. There are an estimated 1.5 million muntjac in England and Wales and they all came from about two dozen deer brought to Woburn Park, Beds in the early 20th century. French/Normans - same difference! French speaking Vikings really. |
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Post by montegriffo on May 25, 2024 8:27:26 GMT
Anyway, they need shooting (deer and toffs) and that's why we need more guns not fewer.
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