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Post by Steve on May 2, 2024 20:24:40 GMT
No need to guess who I be voting for I even voted Corbyn because I'm labour though and though .even doe I thought him unelectable. I thought I was in a safe labour seat but hey oh the Red Wall collapsed. In 2017 Corbyn pledged to honour the referendum and leave the EU. For the first time since 1997 in a General Election, Labour gained seats instead of losing them. Then in 2019 he made the huge mistake of listening to Starmer, Thornberry and other "stop Brexit" extremists. It cost him dearly. If he'd worked with the government to get us out in 2019, he'd have fought the following General Election against Theresa May, and would likely have beaten her, or caused a hung Parliament. But he listened to Starmer and other extremists and the Tories currently have a huge majority, a majority that is actually too big.
Blair was another extremist.
Minimum wage was rendered worthless by rampant house price inflation and cost of living rises.
The first Trussell Trust food bank opened in 2000.
Homelessness was not tackled.
Gordon Brown saddled us with huge debts (exacerbated by unnecessary war in Iraq).
And the crash was in the summer of 2007 not 2018.
Oh and Labour signed the Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon Treaties with the EU without referendums. They gave up several vetoes and 20% of the rebate. None of that makes him an extremist. Misguided maybe |
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Post by vinny on May 2, 2024 21:19:06 GMT
Blair was a fanatical Europhile, a federalist, an extremist who didn't listen to us at all regarding the EU.
After his party lost the 1999 EU election he called Euroskeptic moderates extremists. He was the extremist.
He signed EU treaty after EU treaty without referendum increasing the likelihood of our exit.
He gave away vetoes and got nothing in return and passed appeasement off as "influence".
He also played a role in the growth of the threat posed by Putin, again via appeasement.
The security services knew what Putin was doing, knew about the murders of rivals. Blair called that gangster a breath of fresh air, just days after the Katyr Yurt massacre.
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Post by Steve on May 2, 2024 22:54:08 GMT
being someone you disagree with does not make him an extremist.
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Post by dappy on May 3, 2024 16:58:11 GMT
Have to say for what it is worth, I think Pollard is a very good local MP and infinitely better than the City’s other one. In terms of who I will vote for, I will vote tactically for whoever of Lab or Lib I think has the better chance of beating the Tory. I’ve been moved under boundary changes but my new seat (and old one) has always been solid Tory but electoral calculus currently thinks it might be marginal this time. My guess is like many seats in the area, the Lib, Lab, Grn vote will beat the Tory/Reform vote but it will split too much and let the Tory through to win. I think they are collectively mad to let this happen but seems they are prepared to take that risk. Personally I don’t really understand those on the left voting other than Labour (or if their seat demands Lib) this time. While I would dearly love a voting system where we can all vote for our favourite party productively, we are currently stuck with the system we have and that means in most cases a vote for a minor party if your seat is marginal means an increased chance of another Tory government. While I understand that some would prefer a more left Labour in power than Starmer would deliver, Starmer will be closer to what you want than Sunak will offer and frankly with the Tory party as it currently is, I think there is a high chance that the Tories will veer right towards a Truss/Braverman style government even if they win the next election. If you are Centre, Centre right, Centre left or left, if you genuinely can’t see that Starmer would be a better government for you than Braverman, frankly I think you are delusional. Of course as ever, who you vote for is your choice but a vote against Starmer does not make a more Corbyn style government a reality. Just to follow up the point in para 2. Police commission vote was Tory 131k Lab 108k Lib 65k. Anti Tory majority but split vote let Tory win. Lessons to learn. Just for the record,I don’t really understand the role, know nothing of the candidates and don’t think we should have parties in these sort of elections. Winner may well be best person for job. I didn’t vote. |
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Post by Steve on May 3, 2024 19:32:20 GMT
We only had police commissioner vote on offer yesterday and to our shame we didn't vote. Was supposed to on route home but got diverted and forgot. Seems they're not too bothered and won't be counting the votes until Sunday.
Shouldn't be a political role, shouldn't be an elected role but the incumbent Tory will win in Sussex. Useless lying fool that she is.
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Post by Zany on May 4, 2024 7:46:17 GMT
We only had police commissioner vote on offer yesterday and to our shame we didn't vote. Was supposed to on route home but got diverted and forgot. Seems they're not too bothered and won't be counting the votes until Sunday. Shouldn't be a political role, shouldn't be an elected role but the incumbent Tory will win in Sussex. Useless lying fool that she is. I have no idea what my police commissioner does or who would be good at it. I didn't vote, but then I didn't vote for the Managing Director of the National grid or the head of the BMA. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 14:23:42 GMT
We only had police commissioner vote on offer yesterday and to our shame we didn't vote. Was supposed to on route home but got diverted and forgot. Seems they're not too bothered and won't be counting the votes until Sunday. Shouldn't be a political role, shouldn't be an elected role but the incumbent Tory will win in Sussex. Useless lying fool that she is. I have no idea what my police commissioner does or who would be good at it. I didn't vote, but then I didn't vote for the Managing Director of the National grid or the head of the BMA. Down here we only had three options, none of whom we knew anything about, but they were standing under the banner of Tory, Labour and Lib Dem. Anyone standing as a Tory for any role will never get my vote, but I did research the other two. As expected both said much the same but only the Labour candidate promised to make the police prosecute SW Water for its constant sewage spillages, on which slender basis I voted Labour. But alas as always the Tory candidate won due largely to the high density of wealthy retirees in Devon and Cornwall, many highly prone to simplistic get tough messages. I don't know it it's a secret fetish or something, but many retirees seem fond of hanging, flogging and birching, lol. |
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Post by dappy on May 6, 2024 15:16:26 GMT
The Devon and Cornwall PC election was won by the incumbent Tory because the progressive vote was split between Lab and Lib and the right vote (Tory) was not. I suspect a good number of seats will be similarly lost if Lib and Lab don’t heed the message at the next GE.
That said as noted above given I don’t know what they do or what skills they need or enough about the candidates to make an informed judgement of who would do the job best, I decided not to vote.
I did spend an hour chatting to Alison Hernandez a few years back. She seemed nice enough.
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