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Post by patman post on May 15, 2024 13:25:15 GMT
UK Greens are becoming anti-capitalists**, and they are also attracting the far Left Hamas supporters and (by extension) antisemitic activists.
Such pandering to visible and noisy groups may initially raise membership and votes (and perhaps gain councillors and MPs and members in devolved administrations — as happened to the LibDems).
But, like the LibDems, when issues like the economy and cost of living become the major concern of the ordinary voter, the electorate tends to choose between the two main parties…
**Greens that have been successful elsewhere (eg, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Ireland, Finland, Sweden), with some even making it into governing coalitions, have accommodated the necessary realities of capitalism. Unless they rid themselves of extremists, the UK Greens are unlikely to be much more successful than George Galloway's Worker's Party...
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Post by Orac on May 16, 2024 12:31:16 GMT
Anti-capitalism, anti-white, anti nation
- an Islamic party
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Post by patman post on May 16, 2024 14:40:32 GMT
Anti-capitalism, anti-white, anti nation - an Islamic party I guess you could infer that, but the UK Greens do seem to be attracting a high proportion of the really far Left, the attitudes of which seem to be rubbing off on otherwise perfectly sincere climate and environmental campaigners... |
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Post by Orac on May 16, 2024 14:59:35 GMT
Anti-capitalism, anti-white, anti nation - an Islamic party I guess you could infer that, but the UK Greens do seem to be attracting a high proportion of the really far Left, the attitudes of which seem to be rubbing off on otherwise perfectly sincere climate and environmental campaigners... It's likely a mixture of things. As you say, the 'rubbing off' effect. I think it's also likely the whole movement is being ponerised / hijacked - the sincere cardigan wearers being shuffled into irrelevance..This has already significantly happened with the green movement and left politics - so this will be wave 2 |
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Post by Steve on May 17, 2024 10:01:37 GMT
UK Greens are becoming anti-capitalists**, and they are also attracting the far Left Hamas supporters and (by extension) antisemitic activists. . . Evidence? |
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Post by patman post on May 17, 2024 12:09:29 GMT
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Post by montegriffo on May 18, 2024 17:50:09 GMT
At the end of the day Green policies have to be anti perpetual growth and in essence anti capitalist.
I don't know where anti Semitic comes into it though and am suspicious of ulterior motives from actors with vested interests wishing to smear the environmental movement.
For a start, most of our UK press is Russian owned and Russia is an oil based economy.
Colour me sceptical.
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Post by Orac on May 19, 2024 8:34:17 GMT
Why would a green party specifically take either side in a conflict?
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Post by Steve on May 19, 2024 10:42:00 GMT
You do know that 11 reports of one case is still just one case don't you? There's more evidence that UKIP attracts fans of child abuse but no one should malign UKIP for that. Judge them and the Greens on what their leadership does (not that I'm a fan of either). |
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Post by patman post on May 19, 2024 13:20:08 GMT
You do know that 11 reports of one case is still just one case don't you? There's more evidence that UKIP attracts fans of child abuse but no one should malign UKIP for that. Judge them and the Greens on what their leadership does (not that I'm a fan of either). In my defence — I did mention the dominance of the problem(s) in public perception… |
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Post by RedRum on Jun 3, 2024 3:00:52 GMT
Please define 'Hard-left'.
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Post by RedRum on Jun 3, 2024 8:24:13 GMT
Please define 'Hard-left'. Anybody? |
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Post by Steve on Jun 3, 2024 8:47:38 GMT
Please define 'Hard-left'. Anybody? It's a term only you have used in this thread so really it's for you to show the relevance |
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Post by Orac on Jun 3, 2024 17:44:31 GMT
Why would a green party specifically take either side in a conflict?
This sort of thing has happened before. A well-meaning party can get over-run by total cocks
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Post by Steve on Jun 3, 2024 19:33:48 GMT
Why would a green party specifically take either side in a conflict? This sort of thing has happened before. A well-meaning party can get over-run by total cocks You asked that before. But they haven't. They have a plague on both houses position. I could ask why would the Reform party back compulsory euthanasia but that similarly would be to mislead so I won't. |
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